What now?

[thebow]

Gornell even

[Darren Angels budgie]

Fail to understand why DAB keeps on about Swindon and ignores all the other results in last 13 or even the quality and the results of the past 18 months.

Let me try and explain. These players beat Swindon 5-0. They also won five of the first six league games and since then it has been poor. But it shows that the players are capable of winning games.

You blamed Yates for them not winning games often enough. Fair enough. But now it's up to the new manager to get the best out of the players clearly capable of beating Swindon 5-0 and winning five out of the first six games. If he doesn't then he clearly is no better than Yates.

Surely you understand this?

[thebow]

I concede that only time will tell if buckle is better than Yates. A manager with a pre season and planning time stands a far better chance. Irrelevant of the coach this set of players could quite easily get us relegated

[51/84]

They certainly were not playing for the manager today or for that matter the paying public
Perhaps they were upset they were not having their perfect Sunday

[thebow]

They certainly were not playing for the manager today or for that matter the paying public
Perhaps they were upset they were not having their perfect Sunday

Couldn't go out last night could they. Poor sods

[Ralph]

look at Lvg at united form has now picked up things take time!

they have a bit more of a playing budget than us...

[Oldun]

Shame you didn't answer my question as to why you spend your time talking about the Swindon game. Perhaps you didn't see Wycombe York or Accrington or Mansfield and Tamworth last season? (There are of course about 40 other performances I could mention that were dreadful!) Perhaps you choose to ignore the many many awful performances that were the responsibility of the previous manager. Yes there were one or two much better games and results; one or two freak ones as well like Swindon. Sadly, the majority of games in this and last season have been poor it is impossible to get away from that.

[Darren Angels budgie]

Shame you didn't answer my question as to why you spend your time talking about the Swindon game. Perhaps you didn't see Wycombe York or Accrington or Mansfield and Tamworth last season? (There are of course about 40 other performances I could mention that were dreadful!) Perhaps you choose to ignore the many many awful performances that were the responsibility of the previous manager. Yes there were one or two much better games and results; one or two freak ones as well like Swindon. Sadly, the majority of games in this and last season have been poor it is impossible to get away from that.

Predictably you miss the point. I'll try again. Swindon was the pinnacle. The best that these players are capable of.

I dare say you blamed Yates for Wycombe, York, Accrington, Mansfield, Tamworth. Let's presume it was his fault.

Now Buckle's job is to get these players playing at their pinnacle ie Swindon. That's why I "spend my time talking about" it. If he doesn't and is more Wycombe, York, Accrington etc then surely it means he is no better - or even worse - than Yates. If you don't understand this please don't reply as I'm not sure I can make it any plainer.

[C.V]

Suppose it didn't cross your mind looking at Swindon league position priority to them is promotion over cup success

[51/84]

surely the same is true for us CV
so at least we can concentrate on the league

[Darren Angels budgie]

Suppose it didn't cross your mind looking at Swindon league position priority to them is promotion over cup success

So you don't think our 5-0 win over Swindon was our best performance of the season?? Pick another then. Your choice is, therefore, the best our players can play. It is this standard Buckle has got to get our players playing to.

If he does, hooray, we'll be doing well. But if it continues the same as his first two games I fear we could be in trouble. Time will tell - but I'm sure you'll come back and argue no, time won't tell etc as you and oldun predictably miss the point as you still seem intent on having a go at Yates even though he has left the club.

[51/84]

Unfortunately DAB we were playing 11 today and last week as well

[IYWT]

Shame you didn't answer my question as to why you spend your time talking about the Swindon game. Perhaps you didn't see Wycombe York or Accrington or Mansfield and Tamworth last season? (There are of course about 40 other performances I could mention that were dreadful!) Perhaps you choose to ignore the many many awful performances that were the responsibility of the previous manager. Yes there were one or two much better games and results; one or two freak ones as well like Swindon. Sadly, the majority of games in this and last season have been poor it is impossible to get away from that.

Predictably you miss the point. I'll try again. Swindon was the pinnacle. The best that these players are capable of.

I dare say you blamed Yates for Wycombe, York, Accrington, Mansfield, Tamworth. Let's presume it was his fault.

Now Buckle's job is to get these players playing at their pinnacle ie Swindon. That's why I "spend my time talking about" it. If he doesn't and is more Wycombe, York, Accrington etc then surely it means he is no better - or even worse - than Yates. If you don't understand this please don't reply as I'm not sure I can make it any plainer.

Spot on DAB.

Why bother changing the manager if this level of performance is acceptable?

Buckle has been brought in to improve us, and so far nothing has changed. Not even players being determined to demonstrate their worth to him.

[Joey]

Shame you didn't answer my question as to why you spend your time talking about the Swindon game. Perhaps you didn't see Wycombe York or Accrington or Mansfield and Tamworth last season? (There are of course about 40 other performances I could mention that were dreadful!) Perhaps you choose to ignore the many many awful performances that were the responsibility of the previous manager. Yes there were one or two much better games and results; one or two freak ones as well like Swindon. Sadly, the majority of games in this and last season have been poor it is impossible to get away from that.

Predictably you miss the point. I'll try again. Swindon was the pinnacle. The best that these players are capable of.

I dare say you blamed Yates for Wycombe, York, Accrington, Mansfield, Tamworth. Let's presume it was his fault.

Now Buckle's job is to get these players playing at their pinnacle ie Swindon. That's why I "spend my time talking about" it. If he doesn't and is more Wycombe, York, Accrington etc then surely it means he is no better - or even worse - than Yates. If you don't understand this please don't reply as I'm not sure I can make it any plainer.

Spot on DAB.

Why bother changing the manager if this level of performance is acceptable?

Buckle has been brought in to improve us, and so far nothing has changed. Not even players being determined to demonstrate their worth to him.

He's had two games!!!!!!

[IYWT]

Two massive home games, in which at the very least I would have expected players to be out to prove a point to him.

I'm not expecting miracles, but no response at all is very very worrying

[51/84]

but surely that means that you raise your game to impress or you are not able

If I was Buckle I would keep Carson Taylor possibly Deaman and Ferdinand
Brown as cover CBB if we are playing wing backs
I would sell Harrison providing we can get someone else in
Surely there is a CF who will run through brick walls for the chance to play League football

The rest of the starters can go
I suppose he could try Yates trick of putting them on the transfer list

[Henry The Dog]

Really not sure about Ferdinand, looks like he can play and has ability but we rarely see it and doesn't look a worker. Another very average game for me.

[Robin]

Two massive home games, in which at the very least I would have expected players to be out to prove a point to him.

I'm not expecting miracles, but no response at all is very very worrying

I disagree with the no response at all comments, I've seen an increase in work rate and organisation at least now we don't look like we are going to ship four or five goals a game like under Yates. That said, we've played two poor sides and I recognise that.

[Sprout Picker]

Two massive home games, in which at the very least I would have expected players to be out to prove a point to him.

I'm not expecting miracles, but no response at all is very very worrying

I disagree with the no response at all comments, I've seen an increase in work rate and organisation at least now we don't look like we are going to ship four or five goals a game like under Yates. That said, we've played two poor sides and I recognise that.

To be fair Robin, but for Carson we could have quite easily shipped 4 or 5 goals vs Oxford as Buckle himself acknowledged.

Dover could have had 3 or 4 on another day. One blazed over, 2 or 3 stops by TC, they hit the inside of the post, big goal-mouth scramble, chance late on lobbed over the bar and the goal they did score all suggests to me we are miles off being secure at the back.

That was a shocking performance. Midfield was an absolute shambles, didn't protect the defence and didn't provide any service to the front two which makes you wonder what they did actually do. CBB seemed to be our only attacking threat.

Jason Taylor's shooting was an absolute embarrassment. Oh for those chances to have fallen to the likes of Finners, McCann, Summerfield or a Penn. Richards' set-plays and crosses consistently failed to clear the first defender. Ferdinand anonymous in the main. De Vita likewise.

Been watching us since late 80's and that ranks as bad as anything I have ever seen. A complete lack of desire to compete and work hard.

I give some credit to Carson for his saves, Matt Taylor for showing some pride in the shirt, CBB for at least offering something going forward and Terry Gornell for his work-rate. Troy looks uncomfortable on the left but did defend reasonably.

[Judge_Dreddful]

but surely that means that you raise your game to impress or you are not able

If I was Buckle I would keep Carson Taylor possibly Deaman and Ferdinand
Brown as cover CBB if we are playing wing backs
I would sell Harrison providing we can get someone else in
Surely there is a CF who will run through brick walls for the chance to play League football

The rest of the starters can go
I suppose he could try Yates trick of putting them on the transfer list

Who in their right mind would buy Harrison? If he's hoping for a scout to spot him and think 'hmmm, now there's a striker with a great work rate and the skills to match' then he's in for a long wait. Unfortunately for us.

[confused.com]

Had promised myself never to post on here again as there is none so blind as those that can not see and the level of debate was more often that not infantile. However, after yesterday's debacle, I would like to post my final few thoughts.

When we had bad games and nobody has ever denied that we had bad games, the following was always levelled at the manager in situ at the time.

1. He could not motivate the players
2. His tactics were wrong
3. The formation he played was wrong
4. He had no plan B
5. Substitution was not made when needed.

So, would welcome comment on how any of the 5 above have been negated by what we endured on Sunday ? Given that none of the above are a reflection on the men on the pitch. Once we rule out their ineptitude, which I have always highlighted. What is left is in the scope of the manager
Given that the players we have are the players we can afford, all the talk about signing a good striker or a ball playing CM, is pie in the sky. Give PB2 the same spending power and we may or may not have had different faces, but the skill level would be the same. I will once again remind people, that there were no star strikers waiting in line to sign for us, nor was there a long queue (or even a short one) of ball playing CM banging on our door.

As for Robins, we look better and work harder - I have to say I have seen no evidence of that (unless this is to be recognised by 9 men running around like headless chickens). Our defence has NOT looked better. Carson saved us from getting a drubbing against Oxford. Dover attack made us look less than ordinary, it was only their standard of play and a couple of good saves from Carson that saved our blushes even more.

As is well known and well despised, I support whoever is in charge of CTFC, so it was a great shame that the perfect time for a new manager to show us he had more up his sleeve than the previous one, was on Sunday. Which brings me back to the 5 points above. What exactly was better on Sunday ? What did we do to change a dire first half, to what was to become an even worse second half ? What was done at half time to motivate the players ? What was done to give us fresh impetus once we went one down. (we shall go with what we have).

Maybe our 'lucky' manager is just as human and as fragile as the last one. I still think, time would have been better getting on the players case for the last x months, that longing for the head of the manager. It now seems from reading the forum, that in a matter of weeks, it has become completely the players fault and none can be put on eh manager or his new staff. What worth was all that much talked about wealth of experience at half time on Sunday ???? Feck all.

And those who's only argument is that "what can he do with the rubbish MY bought". Apart from Noble, we have the only players who wanted to be at CTFC after a summer of trying to find a squad. And there is nobody knocking on our door to try and buy and nobody trying to get in.
Lots of you will be glad to hear, I will leave it at that and look forward to some explanation as to what I missed on Sunday that shows we have a better manager

[joes dad]

Two massive home games, in which at the very least I would have expected players to be out to prove a point to him.

I'm not expecting miracles, but no response at all is very very worrying

I'm still waiting for the new manager "bounce"

[joes dad]

Had promised myself never to post on here again as there is none so blind as those that can not see and the level of debate was more often that not infantile. However, after yesterday's debacle, I would like to post my final few thoughts.

When we had bad games and nobody has ever denied that we had bad games, the following was always levelled at the manager in situ at the time.

1. He could not motivate the players
2. His tactics were wrong
3. The formation he played was wrong
4. He had no plan B
5. Substitution was not made when needed.

So, would welcome comment on how any of the 5 above have been negated by what we endured on Sunday ? Given that none of the above are a reflection on the men on the pitch. Once we rule out their ineptitude, which I have always highlighted. What is left is in the scope of the manager
Given that the players we have are the players we can afford, all the talk about signing a good striker or a ball playing CM, is pie in the sky. Give PB2 the same spending power and we may or may not have had different faces, but the skill level would be the same. I will once again remind people, that there were no star strikers waiting in line to sign for us, nor was there a long queue (or even a short one) of ball playing CM banging on our door.

As for Robins, we look better and work harder - I have to say I have seen no evidence of that (unless this is to be recognised by 9 men running around like headless chickens). Our defence has NOT looked better. Carson saved us from getting a drubbing against Oxford. Dover attack made us look less than ordinary, it was only their standard of play and a couple of good saves from Carson that saved our blushes even more.

As is well known and well despised, I support whoever is in charge of CTFC, so it was a great shame that the perfect time for a new manager to show us he had more up his sleeve than the previous one, was on Sunday. Which brings me back to the 5 points above. What exactly was better on Sunday ? What did we do to change a dire first half, to what was to become an even worse second half ? What was done at half time to motivate the players ? What was done to give us fresh impetus once we went one down. (we shall go with what we have).

Maybe our 'lucky' manager is just as human and as fragile as the last one. I still think, time would have been better getting on the players case for the last x months, that longing for the head of the manager. It now seems from reading the forum, that in a matter of weeks, it has become completely the players fault and none can be put on eh manager or his new staff. What worth was all that much talked about wealth of experience at half time on Sunday ???? Feck all.

And those who's only argument is that "what can he do with the rubbish MY bought". Apart from Noble, we have the only players who wanted to be at CTFC after a summer of trying to find a squad. And there is nobody knocking on our door to try and buy and nobody trying to get in.
Lots of you will be glad to hear, I will leave it at that and look forward to some explanation as to what I missed on Sunday that shows we have a better manager

Spot on Confused,can't disagree with any of that.

[Oldun]

Points 2-5 are all controlled by the quality of players available. i.e. those signed by the previous manager. For example there was little point in subs being used yesterday as none would have been able to contribute anything new or positive because, like the majority of those on the pitch, they are not up to standard. Whilst the MY fan club continue to mourn his passing, they fail to acknowledge that he brought in pure dross in the last couple of years, (Carson and Taylor excepted) and that he has allowed to leave players who were better, if not world beaters. e.g. Lowe, Mcglash, Penn, Sido, to name but 4 who would walk into our present side.
As far as point one is concerned, I feel there is an increase in energy; but as I suggested elsewhere I don't believe that the players are not trying; they are simply clueless.
Again as stated elsewhere, we need at least 7 new players to replace the mediocrity with which the poor devil of a new manager has to try to work. Silk purses come to mind!

[Alf]

I agree Oldun. I have made comments before that we could/should have built a really good side by now looking at players that we have had and that Yates let go. Don't know the reasons but a managers job is to manage players as a team and also as individuals. Reading between the lines, on many occasions, this was not his strong point. Often had the impression that decent players were leaving as the result of a falling out of some sort.

[London Exile]

I hope John Milton is filling his next few weeks with sourcing 4-5 players who can come in and galvanise our squad.
I'd like to see Harrison, Jason Taylor, Richards plus a few of the bench warmers such as OSJ and Haworth moved out but unless they were willing to move to a conference or conference north/south team, then I don't see anyone taking them on.
We may just have to take our medicine and carry on paying them until the expiry of their contracts

[Sprout Picker]

Often had the impression that decent players were leaving as the result of a falling out of some sort.

Agree Alf. After MY put together a decent side featuring a lot of leaders (as SC did many years ago) it has been a bit of a mystery as to why these guys have gradually disappeared and been replaced by inferior players who seem to go missing when things get tough.

My conclusion was that MY didn't want to deal with these strong characters/personalities and therefore avoided signing any more of that type unfortunately leaving us with the spineless selection we witnessed yesterday (with the exception of Matt Taylor and Trevor Carson).

[confused.com]

Points 2-5 are all controlled by the quality of players available. i.e. those signed by the previous manager. For example there was little point in subs being used yesterday as none would have been able to contribute anything new or positive because, like the majority of those on the pitch, they are not up to standard. Whilst the MY fan club continue to mourn his passing, they fail to acknowledge that he brought in pure dross in the last couple of years, (Carson and Taylor excepted) and that he has allowed to leave players who were better, if not world beaters. e.g. Lowe, Mcglash, Penn, Sido, to name but 4 who would walk into our present side.
As far as point one is concerned, I feel there is an increase in energy; but as I suggested elsewhere I don't believe that the players are not trying; they are simply clueless.
Again as stated elsewhere, we need at least 7 new players to replace the mediocrity with which the poor devil of a new manager has to try to work. Silk purses come to mind!

Yep, usual level of debate ..... ignore what does not suit your view point "So, would welcome comment on how any of the 5 above have been negated by what we endured on Sunday ? Given that none of the above are a reflection on the men on the pitch. Once we rule out their ineptitude, which I have always highlighted. What is left is in the scope of the manager
Given that the players we have are the players we can afford, all the talk about signing a good striker or a ball playing CM, is pie in the sky. Give PB2 the same spending power and we may or may not have had different faces, but the skill level would be the same. I will once again remind people, that there were no star strikers waiting in line to sign for us, nor was there a long queue (or even a short one) of ball playing CM banging on our door."

So... either MY paid a fortune for bad players, MY got all he could afford, MY turned down lots of excellent League two players who wanted to join MY, or MY didin't spend all the cash he was given and so we have lots still left.
Please tell me which one it is ? If we overpaid who and by how much ? If we have a lot left over , how much ? If we turned down good players who ?

Let me know and I shall apologise for posting such misinformed rubbish

[Circa 1887]

Jesus Confused, give Buckle time to work with the squad, the budget and so forth - and we'll see if he is able to make a better job of recruitment and tactics. He's had two bloody games with a bunch of lads that were total strangers to him until a fortnight ago! Yates is gone, get over it. Nobody expected instant results and nobody knows the exact budget we have. All we can observe is that the recruitment got progressively worse during Yates' tenure, despite the private investment. I just hope we didn't p1ss all that cash away on the likes of J Taylor, or a million bloody loan signings.

[Robin]

To be fair Confused I feel you are now making valid points in a constructive manner (not the case last week). That said, I mentioned elsewhere Yates needed to go and I stand by that however blame for our current predicament is not with one individual but different groups.

Regarding Buckle on Sunday he did change it to Plan B when we switched to 3-5-2, moved Ferdinand into the middle and we were on top. Quite why he changed it back I really don't know as it appeared to be working. Regarding crticism of substitutes who could he bring on, there simply were few options when you only have two strikers.

[Old Coventrian]

...

And this thread-bare squad beat Swindon 5-0 a few weeks ago, so they can do it when the manager gets it right.

Less a case of the manager getting it right, more a case of the opposition imploding from the start